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Andrew Smith's avatar

Yes, 100%: if you use the definition of nature that physicists use, nothing is therefore outside of nature. This includes all of our technology and everything we have ever done, or will ever do. We live in the universe, and we are subject to the same laws as everything else in the universe.

Some folks get hung up on the word, though, and mean "everything besides humans." It's a pretty common usage, probably a lot more common than the physics-oriented one I tend to prefer using. I'm not sure how useful of a distinction it is to divide "us" and "them", except insofar as (as you point out) that we are likely the only entities who consider our larger role with regard to the planet and cosmos.

I think 95% or more of these types of arguments arise because folks mean different things by words. It's possible to argue about the nature of consciousness, freedom, intelligence, and so on. Here, it's easy to argue about "nature" when you mean two different things by the word.

I think the real philosophical question to ask is: do we have an obligation to preserve the other species on earth if we are the only ones who understand that we're killing them? Does the curse of the Tree of Knowledge give us some kind of moral obligation that other (oblivious) species like cyanobacteria don't have?

Thorny questions.

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Nick Potkalitsky's avatar

Interesting stuff. I immediately thought of Maria Montessori’s lecture on nature vs supernature when I saw this post. First delivered in 1946: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1077012.pdf

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